My first experience was this web site, a while ago, it was an acident, I was looking for the other jw forum .
paranoia agent
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What Was Your First Experience In Exposing Yourself To "Apostasy"?
by minimus inas a young teenager, i would look at "apostate" books at the city library.
i was always intrigued as to what was sooo bad and other than a few writings of some that seemed like they hated the witnesses, i would clandestinely look at literature, especially in "christian" bookstores.. it took years for me to finally disconnect.
i will say that ray franz' books enlightened me the most!.
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.
ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.
london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.
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paranoia agent
tec: You are such a friendly person I feel bad posting, the golden rule, but if you think about it, the golden rule can be very immoral, I could go to your house and kill your family but you won't do a thing, because of the golden rule, Now that is immoral.
You are presupposing that Christianity came from Christ, what are you basing that on? If you say the bible then your argument is illogical, if you say god spoke to you then you don't really know if it was god, it could be Satan pretending like he did with Eve/Adam, or you are delusional, hey you wouldn't be a first, there are people making all sorts of claims from Allah to Buddha and aliens.
What about the Ten Commandments tec? You pick and choose what to discuss? Well in psychology that is called confirmation bias.
It does matter that the letters were written in Greek, because we do not have the originals, being so what we have could be forged, edited or completely made up. The level of education matters as well as the vocal tradition has a natural tendency to alter a story when its passed from person to person, its Chinese whispers at a greater scale. The contradictions matter as well because it shows that the presupposed authors of the letters being passed from church to church, all had a different understandings of Jesus and his message, for example before Jesus closes his eyes at the cross did a concerned and depressed Jesus say "Father, Father, why have you forsaken me?" and then died or did a positive Jesus say "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." and then died ? This isn't even scratching the surface of incoherence’s and yet somehow I have to make sense of all this, spend an a lifetime to find the right Christian domination, or listen to you? which you are neither a prophet or an apostle (which ironically the bible warns of)?
Neither you or Kassan are correct in saying that, the fact is that you completely disregard what I wrote, seek Jewish sources of information, not seek Christian sources of Jewish information, I will not entertain this notion anymore, the fact you do not understand the Hebrew translation of the word messiah (yes, the Christian version you do, which not one Hebrew speaking person will agree with you), and that the old testament does not even speak of Jesus, yet Christians borrow a page from the Jehovah’s Whitenesses speaking where the bible is silent.
God bless.
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.
ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.
london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.
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paranoia agent
Tec: Moses passed 17 commandments in which 10 are only used and most Christians use a different version of those ten commandments, some are not even followed.
The earliest Christians, the ebionites and the marcionities had completely different views of the bible that we have today; Jesus version of Christianity is not the one preached today, scripture is interpreted from an incoherent collection of books thus is why there are 41,000 different dominations of Christianity.
The book contradicts itself, its written in sophisticated Greek which was not their language, written and translated by authors that we do not know by and transmitted to illiterate people (which was the norm at that time) passed on to other illiterate people.
If you know your ancient global history you would know that Christianity was used by nations to control people for their benefit
The Jews were following those texts... but failed to see that they witness to Christ... something they would know if they were listening to God and to the same Spirit that the prophets who witnessed to Him listened to, rather than relying upon their own interpretation and reason and tradition.
Of course they did because if you ask any breathing Jew today they will show you from the sources that JESUS WAS A FALSE PROPHET, you just use your own version of Christianity without acknowledging what those of the Jewish faith have to say on the matter. Further this substantiates the claim that Roman authorities were tring to control people of the Jewish faith because if you understood the reasons why Pilate condemned Jesus you would know that Jesus is a lunatic for doing what he did during the Jewish traditions.
Have a great and god bless.
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The governing body are so scared... so very, very scared. (see video)
by apocalypse in.
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http://e-watchman.com/home/2012/11/11/who-really-is-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.html.
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What is the point of this conversation? E-watchman is a bit of a looney tune himself and GB believe in their own lies along with all sorts of logical fallacies.
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Perfect spot for street preaching...
by zakharijah in.
the sign seems to give ideas to the brother.... .
(photo taken from ministry ideaz on facebook).
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According to their body language, the 'sister' looking at the camera has her hands behind her back means she is insecure and nervous, her body is not facing the camera but her face and right foot meaning she is intending to approach the person that is taking the photo.
The 'brother's' hands on hips is called the readiness gesture, a feeling of entitlement and ready for confrontation, but being that jw's teach everyone to be salesmen he tries to hide it with his happy face.
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Never Become Enraged with Jehovah (tomorrow's WT Study)....pure vomit
by raymond frantz innever become enraged against jehovah.
(watchtower study 7-13 october).
paragraph 4.
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Be enraged with a homocidal, angry yet happy homophobic sadistic sexist genocidal maniac Jehovah? Never
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I have a live one lol
by paranoia agent inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cov9xvrq1p8.
check the comment section for jw raiden25256666 posts, he just called me an idiot lol.
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I am loosing my patience with this pro pedo homo sexist death prick.
He called me an indiot, he never answered directly as to why I am an idiot and changed the subject, he asks for doctrine changes and I give him a link to jwfacts, he comes back saying that I can not back up my own claims and I basically told him that I don't give a shit and I will not be mouth feeding him, he then comes back with I dont use scripture and that I am not arguing with him but god!! LOL. I don't even believe let alone like god.
My last response was:
Oh right, scripture, my only weakness, lol. You are a liar as you do not use scripture alone. Without all the literature produced, many that are no longer available, shows all the changes and false teachings. Tell me, where is the scripture that the GB appointed themselves as faithful slave? How can you come to 1914 with scripture alone (don't come back with me with the counting since genesis bullshit because it does not add up)? Show me in scripture that 144,000 is a literal number. Idiot.
Seriously I hope the fucker has a long happy life as a jw, and dies as one.
End rant.
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.
ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.
london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.
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The same Richard Carrier who misquoted Bart Ehrman in saying that jesus didn't exist? Richard tends to use a lot of confirmation bias, I also have little patience from the free thought blog cult.
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What's with all the JWs unleashing the hate!?
by Julia Orwell inmost of us here on jwn, while we can get a bit narky at times, can put forth intelligent arguments and sound observations.
sure we can get bogged down with our opinions, but generally we back up our opinions with examples and evidence, and if someone has a different opinion with examples and evidence, we accept that without recriminations.
that's what adults do.. so my question is, why in the last week or so, have a couple of posters claiming to be jws come onto this forum and berated, spewed hate and judgement, and in some cases verbally attacked members personally?
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paranoia agent
^^^^ Because they've dehumanised us. And when you've dehumanised people, you can stand by and watch anything happen to them. The irony is that with all the empty talk about loving your neighbour, and stories like the good samaritan, it often boils down to a very simple exclusive club mindset: 'if you're not one of us, screw you'.
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Getting Stuck on the Idea of Closure
by OnTheWayOut ini may be suffering twice for having left the jehovah's witnesses and watching my jw wife and other family members stay in.
once for the changed situation (or loss) and another time for expecting to make progress in getting over it.. the 1969 book on death and dying by elisabeth kubler-ross introduced us to the kubler-ross model , commonly referred to as the " five stages of grief.
" they are very helpful, but the original idea of the book and the hypothesis was that when a person is faced with the reality of impending death , he or she will experience a series of emotional stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.. it isn't always the case, but those stages are often felt by terminally ill patients.
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There are many books that tells you how to be happy, I know this might not sound like not what you are after but according to positive psychology grief is important, without these negative emotions how them would we learn from our hopes and failures and continue to be human? if you are grieving for a long time in my opinion I suggest you see a psychologist, not psychiatrists (temporary solutions for problems, after all you can't take drugs for the rest of your life) and you might want to read the happiness trap.
I don't think the Kübler-Ross model applies to us anyway, it certainly did when I became an atheist but for most of us who family are in the ‘truth' loop between anger to depression. I think it's because we cannot find closure when we still have a chance, something to do with our super ego perhaps.